[MUSIC] Welcome to module 5, where we're going to talk about mainstreaming ecosystem services. In essence is, how do you take these great ideas and make them become a reality? You may recall that when you played the trade-off game we asked you to find an optimal solution in balancing different types of services. So the question is, let's say you find your optimal solution, how do you then convince your local decision makers to implement them? And how do you get the citizens to adopt them? So we're going to be talking about the link between science and policy. We're fortunate to have Dr. Louise Gallagher from the Luc Hoffmann Institute. Louise has spent both time as a scientist and a many years talking with governments, local and national levels at trying to implement or adopt these ideas. Louise, can you quickly tell us why this is important and what you hope that students will take away from this hour? >> Sure, and thanks for having me. I think that this is a fantastic module to include in a course like this. I think the temptation really is to focus on the science production, because there's so many interesting challenges in how we think about this as a scientist. But why are we doing it? Why are we producing that information? We're really looking for better outcomes for both people and nature, and that means influencing real processes in the real world. So taking that information in and bringing it into practice, into practical solutions, is really a critical element of doing the science policy work. >> I find it exciting too because as a scientist, I know that sometimes we suffer a little bit of frustration from producing these great ideas and we find the uptake in society is rather slow. And what I've learned, perhaps a little bit late in life, and it's through talking with people like you, is how it's a whole area of research, and how do you decide which ideas are best and how do you find an entry point into a legal framework or decision making framework. Can you perhaps tell students what they can expect in this module? >> Well in this module we're going to cover some interesting examples of what success looks like for mainstreaming. And I think it's important to focus on the fact that it's really about a process of decision making or rule setting that's in play already. There are opportunities where we can bring in new concepts and new information into that process, but those opportunities aren't there all the time. And for me personally, I feel like part of the battle we have to face, or part of the challenge we have to overcome, is really understanding the shaping the science in the right time, producing in the right formats in the right moment for the right people to make a difference. It's really as much about that as it is about the quality of the science being done. So at the Luc Hoffmann Institute, it might be worthwhile saying that we were setup as a partner for WWF to strengthen the science policy practice connections on the belief that if we can get that working better we can find the timing, the opportunities for bringing in that better information and helping to achieve better outcomes for ecosystems, for biodiversity, for people. >> Great, we look forward to it. So as in the other modules, we're going to have a little bit of theoretical introductions followed by some case studies and there's going to be some interviews and as usual, we're going to have a wrap up with some evaluation. [MUSIC]